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PostSubject: Re: Michael's System   Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:43 pm

Hi Guys

I had to take a shot of this and share.



There's just something so fundamentally cool with this picture knowing what I am playing and how busy I am right now. A moment I will remember for a long time!

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PostSubject: Re: Michael's System   Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:32 pm

Today I am reduced to a babbling flowing pile of emotion. I can hardly believe I get to listen to this



As Andy (Drewster) has been saying "the Rev6 does something with piano...."

I am so with Drewster on that one today. Finally getting around to my Liszt on the Rev6 and Bare Essence I am nothing but emotion, thanking God every few minutes that I get a chance to hear this as if this was the last moment I would ever have in life. It's that good Exclamation The connection of all the pieces of this piano is so absolute that you can hear the inter dependence of the instrument as a whole. The space specific realism tied together with the weight has me transcending to a place that has nothing to do with a system. The music, even at not the highest volume, is getting directly into my chest chair and body. I can actually feel when I move my arm slightly and quickly place it back into the same position so as to not unbalance the feel of the performance. The pressure in the room has somehow magically found it's perfect mate in this recording. Nothing anywhere seems like a stereo system. I turn my head to the right and I am greeted with perfect balance, same as to the left. The keys roll off into the room as if the piano and space is one, no separation, but all evenly a part of each, One. My heart is pounding... this is real size and real space, one continuous connected performance.

There's a soft gentleness to this girthy thick recording that hasn't a hint of frequency shift anywhere. Sigh (in a good way) this is Franz Liszt.

Sometimes in todays busy life we get a chance to really live. I get that chance reading when you, my friends, hit those moments. It's like rushing to these pages to express your excitement. If possible I'm sure you would transport all of us there to breathe in the moment with you. Music, think about it with me, music. We are living in a time where we are able to reach back into the performances of those moving their fingers over the keyboards, pouring out their souls on the page of their era. Creating notes that can then be played throughout infinity, through the minds and times of others.

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PostSubject: Re: Michael's System   Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:01 am

The end of this year is almost here and as such we've made some decisions.

Over the past 3 years I have been bringing in High End gear to tune and listening at other's places as well as getting stuff from the local high end used shops. It's been a concentrated effort and my findings were not complete until just a short time ago. The list of products I brought in and played in my 6 rooms is long. Not only the products I still have but also things that came and went more quickly. I really do hate putting down products, but if I am going to be true to myself and you there is simply a line that I should not cross. Others can, but my job is to tune.

During this chapter I have found some real gems and have been able to add them to my approved list. 3 of these components are Audolici, and I now will include them in as one of my points of reference. As for these other products, what I have found is people have gone straight for my products over the other gear (with one exception). The exception was before I voiced my product so that is understandable.

One of the things that brings me to this point is a pair of speakers that I really wanted to get behind and push. They retail for $18,000.00 and as much as I wanted them to give the magic I wanted, and as much better they are than their competition I can't do it. The latest Tonian has my respect and I will always be glad I had the chance to own them, but compared to the Rev6 Signature and Sub combo I can't justify keeping them. The Rev6 soundstage is bigger and the flexibility of the Six made it impossible for the Tonian to out perform. There is a sound in the Tonian I really like but I run into that "can't play all my recordings" and for me that's a deal breaker. I can't handle sitting there frustrated with a recording. The other deal breaker was when I made my paper cone tweeter sound like a ribbon with a fairly simple tweak. I know I can tweak and tweak on the Tonian and at the end of the day could have something really special. I also know for the right audiophile this can be a dream come true. I'm sadly not that guy.

Well these were the ones that made it and came close to making it. So then came the choice of, do we want me trying to make High End work or continue with the path we have found to be successful since Dave came on board which allows me to finish my work on the Revs. High End Audio, I feel I gave you another fair shake, but it's simply not worth the time money and space.

So

As of the end of January I am discontinuing the mixing of high end audio and Tuning. From then on, products will have to be of tuning merit or a special Tunee's sound that I can help with. My main focus needs to be on what is real and that doesn't leave much room for product sidetracks. I'm very happy that I had the chance to redo my testing, and that I put my toes back in the pond, but there's a higher calling for my ears.

what was it MG?

I can hear it just sitting here thinking about it. High End Audio has a fatigue factor built into the sound, that some times you can ignore it and other times it jumps out and grabs your earlobes. I'm sorry we can pretend like it's not there, but this only fools us for a short time and we will fall back into that sound every time. I can start writing my list of what things are causing the problem with high end components, but honestly we all know what they are. The answer to the problem of fatiguing comes down to one factor, ease. The things that I have been bothered by these last 3 or so years is I introduced stress again and it threw the systems out of ease. When I did my proven components with my speakers something extraordinary takes place. I can hear the signal making it's way through the audio chain relaxed. This last little while with the Bare Essence White and the simple system brought me to the place of tears several times. I do this same thing with the Tonian speakers and I became fatigued. The sound was nice, but I had no desire to drift off into soundstage land. Same thing happened with the other high end components (exception Audolici A25M and Preamps).

also

Over the last 3 years I found myself getting soft on high end audio componentry, and you know what, that's wrong. The curve of acceptability is something I'm suppose to be tough on. Blending these components into the mix is perfectly fine, if I give the real references their due. But when I fail to reference things like the Sherwood 4105 and all the approved components here it's a waste of my time and only confuses the many reading who end up questioning about this privately. As much as I am glad I was open minded, must go back to what is real. Doesn't have to be real for anyone else out there who doesn't want to go this route or who are on a specific sound venture. But for those wanting my advice, me going off on a sidetrack without making it clear why, makes it rough for the guy who is ready to move away from high end, getting closer to the music. It's important for me to say this, because you guys reading me and posting with me don't realize how many have made the conversion to their tunable system using these recommended systems. For example there have been more than 50 guys this year who have converted, that haven't posted here. These are guys tossing their complicated systems for very simple ones. Most of them picking up Maggie players and Sherwood's or some of the other simple electronics.

I need to get back to being firm about these wonderful systems. If not it is easy for the forum to get caught in an audiophile cycle that favors high end audio too much.

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PostSubject: Re: Michael's System   Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:15 pm

If you've read the above post, I'm sure you can see my wheels turning. Almost immediately after moving into this location I started to realize that for me to give High End Audio a fair shake more and more components needed to be explored, or do they? At both locations, over the last few years something was sticking out to me as I setup every system. The "Tuning Correct" components allowed me to go places within the soundstage naturally, as if they wanted to go there. The opposite happened with the components that were not "Tune Friendly". In my thinking I flashed back to all the times I have done this before only to come to the conclusion that there really was a right and a wrong, if real size/real space was the goal. Not that everyone looks for this as the end game but, for me, if I am not able to do the end game I by forfeit limit the hobby to only going so far and not able to choose all the variables.

The deeper I got into High End the more the missing parts of the soundstage stuck out. Maybe this wouldn't have been such a big deal if I didn't have my "Tuning Correct" systems setup at the same time, maybe I wouldn't have noticed the missing keys on the piano. Who am I kidding, fact is, when the tunable systems got close to the float things would happen that high end (in their current build) would never be able to touch. Out of all the (higher mass) high end components only one proved to be acceptable for me. Only one (the mg version) was able to be flexible enough to fit into my reference list. That's one out of at least 50 recently, and one out of hundreds (maybe thousands) going back.

It's important that you guys know that what you see me post here on TuneLand is only a fraction of what I am actually doing. In my crazy mind there are 3 modes, what sound I am getting, what sound you are getting, and what sound I am uncovering and then creating around. My goal is not about creating my sound, my goal is about creating every sound. With this in mind over my most recent blending of High End Audio I have been once again reminded that we are only fooling ourselves if we think High End Audio high mass componentry is on the right track. I've been asking myself (and others have been asking me) how many high end audio components will it take me tearing completely apart to make, once again, my proclamation that high end audio is flawed? Can one man turn the page of the high end audio mistake, should one man even try? Meaning, is high end audio so far out of whack that I need to show & tell all over again just to come to the same conclusion? I would say yes, if it wasn't for the internet. This last time around, readers can see that I went deep into high end and the conclusion has been documented (as much as it could be without embarrassing particular component brands and their designers).

The other consideration is one of practicality. How much money will it take to sell high end audio? Yes you heard me correctly "how much money will it take?"

It was a grand time, when high end audio was based on local dealers, but now that I jumped back in I can see the mistake that would have been. I don't want to hurt audio dealers so I won't go too deep into this subject, but let me say that even over the last 5 years there has been a drastic reduction of dependable dealerships. I believe a lot of this is due to the age of the audio gurus that pushed this hobby in the past and somewhat held the hobby accountable (I'm not necessarily referring to reviewers). Who are the gurus, of today? I have heard many stories, but the truth is they lack authenticity. Outside of what we are doing in the tune, I don't see any "real" discovery shops among the ranks. High end audio seems to be riding on what past generations discovered, and now are just copying, missing the understanding of the audio code and audio chain. I warned some of the key players back in the 90's that this would happen if they didn't sharpen their skills and start building their products with physics in mind. I told them there were some missing links that needed to be addressed and if the industry didn't stop and do so the high end would ultimately fail.

do you remember?

Do you remember the 40foot systems I created back in my Nashville days? You might not because I was dealing with the Eighth Nerve fiasco, my PA Lawyer ripping off my patent pendings and other brick walls Rolling Eyes (oh the things you go through when you just want to be a listening designer) Laughing

As a reference: in Nashville I had my referencing studio, MG Audio (the store) , the workshop and the penthouse at the Cumberland.



You can imagine the $$$bucks$$$ going out, but there was also the bucks coming in because of the recording studios I was designing. There were the tunable rooms at the Studio on music row, 2 in the workshop, none in the store but 2 in the penthouse. There was also a mini studio in the Cumberland up in my place.

During my 4+ years there I was thinking High End Audio was finally going to make the connection, so did Jim Bookhard and so did those that were ready to jump on board when the big push happened. However High End Audio was once again terrified that their money flow would take a huge hit as the industry moved from fixed to tuning. To be perfectly honest the powers at be wanted nothing to due with their comfort zone being disrupted. Keeping the revolving door of new designs going was priority, no matter how they sounded. Ok, up to date?

What I was doing at this time was showing that the fields being created by the audio chain's parts didn't function correctly crammed together into the small chassis designs. The high end designers were frantically making shields, dampening, chassis, over built parts and heavy cables, all squeezing the sound, not setting it free. This is why those of you who are taking apart your components are hearing it open up with each screw removed, and even more when the parts are spread apart in relation to the fields in any particular room in the world, and the conditions there.

"open it up, then tune it in"

This last couple of years have been a good refresher course for me and I'm glad I have been able to share this with you guys once more, but, going deeper into High End Audio is not what I am suppose to be doing. Sound doesn't get better the more you spend. I'm not saying there are not good sounding products that cost the big bucks. Nope, what I am saying is me going down the road of a loosing proposition only takes away from successful listening and then sharing the method of how to get there. What I should be doing is pushing the components that are ahead of the tuning curve and watch listeners get to that place of conversion. As I have talked over with Harold and my other advisors, going the High End Audio direction more than internet sales, is not the best way to make a change. It will only be a frustrating money pit.

What we Tunees have is revolutionary and not some words used for marketing. If listeners choose to get involved with the Tune I need to be ready to meet them and work with them through their conversion. If this last year of being here at this location would have proved other wise (selling high end audio) maybe the mixing of high end and Tuning could have shared some sort of balance. However when you look at the sales we have created the last year, it's been something like Tuning 95 and High End Audio 5 (that's being generous to HEA).

So without further ado let me share with you the decision.


TuneLand on the Las Vegas Strip

I will get you better pictures, but yesterday I got the keys on the new location, on the Strip. We knew that my space 3 years ago was short term and the flood speeded this process up. I did think however that the place hosting the Tunable Room would be more of a long term spot. I really thought this was it, but being on the other side of town from the workshop and so far north was causing problems for my local listening buddies as well as folks coming in to visit. Even though the past (flooded) place was not the best for curb appeal, being close to the convention center and strip was a bigger plus than I thought. Not going to lie, I love the place here on Padre Bay. I will be writing about it for a long time to come, and came very close to going ahead and staying here. At the same time, with what we were seeing with the High End Audio market and sound it was giving us a lot of pause to keep going in that direction. In other words, the places I visited to listen to the expensive systems near here sounded horrible and the hosts didn't know very much about playback more than they spent a lot of money.

the story continues

When we started talking about moving I looked high and low for a place that would work for me. With us now having Dave and the shop, I no longer needed my place as a shop. Dave has a great spot setup for me to sit, spin and sand to my hearts content. Still with the obsessive nature I have to voice while hanging out with my systems, a place with carpet was making me squirm a little. Size was also bugging me. Since the Rev's are voiced and in production, along with the new PZC and Platforms and other goodies what I really need over this next year is a place to dig in and document as well as listen. That means a writing/sleeping/listening room and a listening room. Does it make me sad loosing the extra rooms? Yes! But, I know after this last few years what I need to do as a priority, focus Focus FOCUS study If I had funds to throw at the expensive HEA brands as a result of how much money we made the last years, that would be one thing. Actually, maybe I still would have not felt I was spending my time wisely. Yep, in the back and forth with those helping me decide, focusing won. And, I want to point out that now that Tj has his Tunable Room and Bill will be getting his back up, I don't feel as naked, like I am the only one. Third person promoting is a wonderful thing.

While shopping for a place there were a few areas of interest to me, but they weren't offering the right benefits. It was a little frustrating because everything I wanted was over my price range enough to not justify moving away from the Padre Bay location. In the one neighborhood (right behind the Stratosphere) for some reason I was pulled into a Vibe that was appealing to me. Sahara Ave and the Vegas Strip has become a destination crossroads here in town. Some of the ultra high buck theme resort Hotels & Casinos have moved in where the CES was once hosted at the old Sahara Casino, where I got my start as a trade show exhibitor.

Now, I know I'm boring you but let me finish my story Wink


you can see my suite here right behind the store front

The above picture shows the Allure and the Stratosphere before the Lucky Dragon Casino was built.

here is a picture since the Lucky Dragon was built, so you can see where I am


I must have driven by my place 20 times thinking "man there's the place I need to be" but never saw a rental sign and frankly I thought it would be much more expensive than Padre Bay. When I saw the ad that there was a place available I couldn't stumble over myself fast enough to get my deposit in. When I was in the office I kept wondering to myself which of the spaces was #205 because I failed to look while walking to the office. When it was time, as we were walking, he kept getting closer and closer to the exact unit I had stared at "if only". Yep, it was the upstairs end unit right on the road and looking directly at the strip. When I walked inside the tone was excellent, mainly due to the floor which has a slight give to it (no doubt wood and aged). On top of the flooring is Tile. Oh this is going to be fun Exclamation

Why is it that I love so much to move in, conquer the space, and then have this hunger for the next space? I think, if I had a family it would be different (maybe) but I'm glad I have this unusual pattern. It can be very trying at times but when I think about my purpose as a designer that is maybe the only one in our hobby looking at everything as a whole, it stops feeling so strange. Well it might even feel more at home to me and in balance with my life always traveling. Whatever the case, I'm happy I headed back toward High End Audio again but didn't get sucked into that portal. High End Audio is very Alluring (no pun) but as much as it pulls on me, there's an equal force telling me how wrong it is and how much it needs to change directions back toward what it once was and then the added tuning to make this a hobby of variables. Not confusion (which is what the Stereophile-ish audiophile has been force fed), but a hobby that deserves to play all music and greet every taste.

Does this mean I get even more tough on High End Audio? I don't know. What I do know is I must be a voice that tells it like it is and if that means getting my hands dirty in High End once in a while, well than so be it. I feel however my return to reality speaks bigger than my visit to the land of compromise. This is truly a hobby of tools and sidetracks can blind us if we let the shiny objects influence our eyes over the harmony wanting to favor our ears.

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PostSubject: Re: Michael's System   Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:41 am

So, I've been getting asked what system am I going to setup in the new space. Mostly the electronics. Hmmmm...we have a dilemma scratch

I'm going to take a guess Idea


It for sure will be CDs with the Maggie Player. I'm also thinking I will start with the AP-01, Luxman M-113, Yung 100 and of course the Revs and Sub combo. I'm thinking maybe Type3 White and Type2 Picasso. Of course no longer having these wonderful concert hall shaped rooms Sad  I will be using more tunes. These concert rooms have been heaven to listen in. Even in my writing room the soundstage is huge. I'm listening to Ozzy on my Tuner "Crazy Train" and it's like wearing headphones. The Rev Signatures, even up on the walls give me a wrap around the head stage. Very impressive speakers Exclamation

I am pretty excited though about hearing the old floor joists at TuneLand on the Strip.

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PostSubject: Re: Michael's System   Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:05 pm

It's Christmas Night and I need to chill a little. Thanks Dr. Lou



A perfect choice for me tonight.

My thoughts are with B&E tonight. Going to be a very busy week this week for you, and I pray that you will have time to get some rest.

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PostSubject: Re: Michael's System   Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:09 am

Hi TuneLand

Happy New Year to you cheers cheers cheers cheers

As you know I'm packing so will try to get up on TuneLand as much as I can, but might be a little slow, thanks.

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PostSubject: Re: Michael's System   Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:48 am

Yesterday, I began my SAM Wall at the Strip Location. It's different from the SAM Wall at the Padre Bay Location in that this SAM Wall is made from Brazilian Pine Panels. Of course I'm just throwing things together at this point. The first thing that must be done is to build shelving because of the smaller space needing to host the parts and pieces from the 6 listening rooms I had. I can hardly imagine that I'm moving to be honest, but the sudden water burst last year caused a quicky move to this wonderful Padre Bay space that I wish I could pick up and move either closer to the Shop or to the Strip. I appreciate you guys bearing with me through my gypsy-isms. Truth be told (like I said earlier) as much as these moves take out of me, the excitement of experiencing a different acoustical space is my own personal very fun ultimate head trip. I'm already finding hidden notes and harmonics as I walk through the strip location.

When I set my first 24x36 panel on edge at the center of the front area I heard the room divide itself. My thought was "Oh now I'm going to like this" . I now have 5 panels up and without a system in the room I just sat there for a few minutes (more like an hour) and sang. I am going to have girth plus in this room. The back side of the SAM will have to host equipment and so I've disassembled the rack setup that you saw at Padre Bay and reassembled it behind and attached to the new wall. I sat down again and smiled "first hurdle over come". The combo tuned like a gem, good start!

I'm now sitting in the old writing room with my last system setup Sad listening to one of my last recordings here "dark side of the moon". Man part of my gut is and will lay on the floor here forever as this has become one of my all time favorite places to listen. The soundstages I have created here have been truly enjoyable, and the last few months I have soaked them in sometimes up to 15-20 hour sessions. I am beyond thankful and appreciative of my time here, but now hearing the SAM at the Strip location, my mind shifts into automatic touring mode looking for those gems that await me. It's amazing how much I use those concert touring instincts after all these years. I keep thinking that this (2018) is going to be a year of writing, but who knows. First things first, but always exciting study

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